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December 02, 2005

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Thanks for sharing, Jeff! I will get my take away up on my blog soon. Been a busy week.

Does the fact that we have modern day apes disprove the evolutionary claim that apes transitioned into human beings?Ugh, this is one of the most oft-debunked anti-evolution strawmen, and still it gets traction. Nobody says that apes transitioned into humans. What's actually believed is that apes and humans both evolved from some common ancestor.

Aside from this, the fact that there are still single-celled life forms doesn't undermine the theory of evolution of multicellular life from these forms. Nothing in the theory requires that the old forms all go away when new forms appear.

Regarding the Gen 2 story, what always struck me wasn't whether or not God lied or misled them or broke his promise; it was that what the serpent told Eve was true. IOW, the serpent didn't deceive them.

So, did Mrs. Dawn Treader give the go ahead for the Roanoke Pigfest?

It is recognizing the Imago Dei in our fellow man.Even in a Godless heathen like me? :)

Tom,

We recognize the imago Dei in you. We hope that you also see the imago Dei in us as we try to follow in the Way of Jesus.

Cheers,

Brian

I'd like to second Brian on that point, Tom.

As for the pigfest, I had no idea that's where you were going. Aw, I wish I could have gone. :( I'm supposing it was my fellow *big* family down in GSO?

That must have been a blast.. Good times.

I also never knew that about you being a M.K. Wow.

-Molly

You provide a link to a book by J. Robert Clinton. Is he your father?

"So, did Mrs. Dawn Treader give the go ahead for the Roanoke Pigfest?"

Yes she did. We are thinking of Friday, January 14th at 7 PM in Roanoke. I am checking the calendar at church for conflicts.

"Even in a Godless heathen like me? :)"

What Brian and Molly said.

"I'm supposing it was my fellow *big* family down in GSO?"

Yes it was. We left an empty chair for Clete. Clete was a big time Pigfester. I did not realize that until last night.

Your Roanoke family will have plenty of Pigfests for you to enjoy.

"I also never knew that about you being a M.K. Wow."

Yep. Not only an M.K., but a P.K. too. My dad was a minister before becoming a missionary.

"You provide a link to a book by J. Robert Clinton. Is he your father?"

Yes. You may have met him at FHC. He visited several times.

Jeff -- can you get that picture scanned? It would be cool to post a digital copy. A friend of mine who does missions work in Haiti does artwork of her impressions from her trips and it's powerful.

Tom -- Jeff didn't say how the discussion turned out -- maybe the conclusion was that modern apes don't prove anything one way or the other?

"Jeff -- can you get that picture scanned? "

I am not sure. If I can, I will post it.

"maybe the conclusion was that modern apes don't prove anything one way or the other"

The standard evolutionary response, as Tom presented it, was given by someone well versed in evo theory. The discussion, in general, did not gain a lot of traction. The point that kept coming up again and again is the role that presuppositions play in this debate.

This set up a Pigfest discussion for next time : evidentialism -vs- presuppositionalism. Oy. I have done that debate many times. That can get heated.

I am in for the 14th of January.

Reading back through this I came across...

>>Should Christians no longer affiliate with political parties and, in effect, form their own political party?<<

You're going to have to tell me how that one went. It sounds really intresting.

Should Christians no longer affiliate with political parties and, in effect, form their own political party?

Absolutely in my mind, but I like having my mind changed by good discussion. If you click my name I have a book noted that I plan on reading soon called "Toward and Evangelical Public Policy" and it is a collection of essays on the subject. I look forward to reading it. (Amazon.com is so slow these days)

I am in Colorado but I am going to have to have a Pigfest some day. This sounds so much like what I have tried to do with our Church.

Hey Jeff,
Is this topic (a US Christian Party) worth a new thread- have you done this before? I strongly disagree with this idea btw...

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