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January 10, 2006

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There was a story in our local paper not long ago about harvesting tissue from aborted fetuses for medical purposes. The newspaper being liberal, the article was composed of only two elements. First, tearful accounts from tissue recipients about how wonderful it was to be cured, and second, shrill, poorly-though out, grammatically appalling denouncements from local pastors. Absolutely no reason on either side, as planned. One woman who received retinal tissue said that she was a Christian and that she thought abortion was wrong, but said it wasn’t so bad because “part of that little baby is alive inside me”. If one were to point out to her the absurdity of this reasoning, she would probably just cry and say “You’re just being mean” or words to that effect.

The issue is this: Americans, including Christians, almost always make decisions based on emotion rather than logic. This, when combined with the moral weakness inherent in a wealthy society, make it impossible to distinguish morality from comfort. If it helps me and makes me feel good, then it’s right, UNLESS you can find somebody who can come up with an even MORE emotional account of how they are hurt by the same thing. Since we can’t find a fetus who can stand up and do this for themselves, it’s check and mate. Advocating on behalf of the fetus is an intellectual exercise, not an emotional one, so it’s doomed to fail.

The truly scary part about the film is that it is within the realm of plausibility to imagine this business idea taking root in our culture.

I'd go so far as to say that the idea has already taken root in our culture. All it lacks is the technology.

I think its safe to say that cloning a non-sentient (anencephalic?) body to harvest organs is repulsive to those who already believe that sentience is not the key ingredient to being a human person.

But, just as clearly, that repulsion is not held by those who don't share that belief.
For instance, some of Robert A. Heinlein's novels include this practice. It is the heroes that do it. Peter Hamilton's recent Pandora's Star has "re-life:" the recorded personalities of people who have been killed are downloaded into force-grown clones. In contrast, the bad guys in Lois Bujold's Vorkosigan novels harvest organs from sentient victims. The practice is something of a cliche in current SF, and whether it is presented as bad depends entirely on whether or not the victim is sentient.

Pretty soon, we may be able to culture some organs in vitro, in effect, "cloning" individual organs. Problem or not?

Suppose we could grow a cluster of organs?

Suppose we could grow a body minus the head?

Suppose we could grow an entire non-sentient body?

Suppose we could grow an entire sentient body.

I would guess that most non-Christians would draw the line between the non-sentient and sentient body. I'm not sure where most Christians would draw the line.

Nick,

Where do you draw the line and why? Interested in hearing your thots.

Jeff:The truly scary part about the film is that it is within the realm of plausibility to imagine this business idea taking root in our culture.I'd like to deny this, but I can't. It wasn't all that long ago that I would have told you the idea of Americans abusing and possibly torturing prisoners seemed farfetched, and the idea that many Americans (including popular, prominent ones) would defend such practices was ridiculous.

Life routinely proves me wrong on such counts.

You probably would not like watching "24" I am guessing.

Why do you say that? Does the latest "24" address the "ticking bomb" nonsense?

I don't watch "24," but it doesn't have anything to do with the message of the show or any of the content. It's the fact that you have to follow it, i.e., you can't watch an episode out of order or in a vacuum. I can't be relied upon to watch the same show week-in, week-out for 24 weeks. :)

Do what I do ... borrow a seasons worth of episodes ... grab some food ... settle in ... and go without sleep for 24 hours why you watch 24 episodes of 24 ;-)

"24" raises the ethics of torture again and again and again.

For someone who likes parsing through ethical situations, like yourself, it would be fun.

When you spoke of torture, it reminded me immediately of "24".

Jeff:

I thought you might be interested, but Kevin just blogged about 24 and torture.

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