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December 14, 2005

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sounds like another heresy we need to counter in the church real fast. I will get a little more educated on the course myself.

I like your approach with people and talking about world views. I try and foster this in my small group but have not had a whole lot of success. I am sure that will change with time and with reading great blogs such as this.

"I try and foster this in my small group but have not had a whole lot of success."

Why not? Please esplain.

"sounds like another heresy we need to counter in the church real fast."

That is why God gave the spiritual gift of discernment to the church ... to protect it from error.

The most dangerous heresies are the ones that have a lot of truth embedded in them. The "course" teaches a lot of good stuff and is smart enough to use Christian terminology. The light needs to shine on where it is different with orthodox Christian doctrine. Believe me, there are big differences in this case of this heresy.

Jeff,
Don't worry about tgirsch's comments on how you approach conversations. It seems him and his ilk would prefer that religion was never talked about, that's the way you get people to think it is unimportant.

I am just disappointed to miss out on the christianity / free gift conversation :(

Alan:

My Lord, how you have misjudged me. Ask my wife, and she'll tell you it's almost impossible to get me NOT to talk about religion. I just don't talk about it in quite the same vein as Jeff. And I generally don't go looking for discussions of religion, it just sort of happens that way.

I actually have a secret agenda of promoting greater intermingling of church and state and of more religion being forced into public schools. If state-sponsored religion has the same effect here that it's had in England and Canada, then I'm all for it!

Jeff:

I was in a book store today, and saw a book by Joel Osteen, with his picture prominently featured on the cover. And my thought was, "Oh, that guy!" Yeah, I hate him, too. He's little more than a two-bit motivational speaker using Christianity as his McGuffin. So there's another thing we can agree on (even if you wouldn't go so far as to use the word "hate").

Yeah, I wouldn't say I quite hate this guy. I realize I came on a bit strong earlier.

Osteen scares me. He adds confusion because people think he is promoting Christianity. What he is promoting is how to feel better.

If he had any sense, he'd be promoting dental care products. Have you SEEN those teeth?

Of course, if his wife could behave herself on a plane...

"Of course, if his wife could behave herself on a plane..."

Hmmm. You got me on this one. Post a link.

Jeff:

I'm surprised you hadn't heard, but it's here:

HOUSTON — The wife of the pastor of the nation's largest church was asked to leave a plane after she failed to comply with a flight attendant's instructions, the FBI said Tuesday.

Houston Lakewood Church pastor Joel Osteen, his wife, Victoria, and their two children boarded a Continental Airlines flight from Houston to Vail, Colo., Monday. The plane's door had been closed when Victoria Osteen and a flight attendant had a disagreement.

"She failed to comply with the flight attendant's instructions, and they were asked to leave the flight," FBI spokeswoman Luz Garcia said without elaborating on the disagreement.

The FBI reviewed a report from Continental after the incident, Garcia said. No charges will be filed, she said.

Weird. Thanks for the background.

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