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May 26, 2005

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Jeff,

I think Colson's second to last paragraph gives balance to some of the earlier statements you have quoted.

"So learn all you can, just as we’re equipping you to do here at 'BreakPoint.' Stretch your mind. Think Christianly. God wants us to use our reason and our knowledge to defend Christian truth in the world. But watch out for pride." - Breakpoint, 5/18/05, Colson

I think you and I both know Colson's heart for apologetics and worldview study as is evidenced in his much more significant works.

Regards,

Brian

I agree Brian. I think it is a case of clumsy wording. His point in the essay was to explain that knowledge can puff up [Colson confesses it did in his case], and that gratitude and humility are the antidote.

The problem is, many Christians actually view faith as a kind of extension ladder to get us from where our reason comes up short. This is very common -- hence the term [which I hate] "leap of faith".

Given that this erroneous understanding of faith is so ubiquitous, I felt the need to post on it and give Chuck a chance to correct the ambiguity in his statement. I posted on our Centurions forum -- not in an attacking way, just asking for clarification -- I am sure Colson will confirm what you and I both know to be true. That Colson does not view faith as an extension ladder.

If Colson is focusing a bit more on epistemological humility, this seems like a positive development to me. I've learned much from Colson as well -- I read The Body a number of years ago and thought it was excellent, and I've appreciated his work on Evangelicals and Catholics Together. But, I find many of his Christianity Today columns grating because he's so darn sure he's right about everything. His most recent column, for example, announces the "destruction" of marriage if we don't pass a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Never mind that "marriage" ultimately is ordained by God, not defined by the state. This is a classic example of taking one policy position -- an extreme and unwise one, in my view -- and making it the "Christian" sine qua non. He also regularly oversimplifies the views of the emerging church and the Evangelical "left" (particularly Jim Wallis). Again, there often seems to me to be a sense of smugness in positions that reflect more of Leo Strauss than Jesus. So, if he's realizing he isn't always right, I say Amen.

David,

You would be shocked if you met him in person. Smugness would be the furthest thing from your mind in describing this man. Gracious and humble are more appropos. I know that is hard for those who only know Colson through Christianity Today articles.

I think many evangelicals have concerns about the emerging church ... not just Colson. Part of it is that the E.C. is such a moving target, most within the movement don't really know what it is either. There are some wonderful aspects to what I see emerging out of the emergent movement. There are also some things which frighten me to death.

BTW, I will be out at Fuller next week -- a hotbed for the E.C. movement. Shall I drop in and tell Nancy Murphy hello for you ;-) My parents know her and told me they can get a free seat in one of her classes for me [for a day].

Yes, please tell Nancy hi!! I've corresponded with her a bit by email, she seems very gracious. I really want to do Fuller's distance-learning Masters in Global Leadership, which focuses on some of this emerging/missional church stuff, but so far I've concluded I can save the $18 grand and just read the books listed in the syllabi.

I'm sure what you're saying about Colson is true BTW and I should be a little more careful about criticizing him. Incidentally, my parents, when they're in Florida, go to the same church as him, although they don't know him personally.

David,

Want to hear a small world story ... if you take the MAGL at Fuller, you'll get my father as your teacher in ML 523 Mentoring and ML 530 Lifelong Development!

Some of Dad's mentorees and former T.A.'s teach some of the other courses.

We would really have a lot to talk about if you got that degree ;-)

Very interesting Jeff. I will be interested to hear how it goes with following on the discussion. I quite like some of the Breakpoint articles - I found them at a time when I didn't know much about "worldview". I sometimes think about the reason and faith topic too.

Regarding Colson’s statement, “You have to have doubts; otherwise, it couldn’t be faith,” perhaps he’s saying that you don’t need to have everything figured out in order to have faith in God. If you did, then your faith would be in knowledge, not in God. I like to think of it as having the right kind of knowledge about the right things; the rest doesn’t matter. But we are all different; different questions bother different people and we all have differences in gifts of understanding and of faith.

To Colson’s closing statement, “And remember that our greatest weapon against sophisticated pride is not more intellectual arguments. Instead it’s the practice of gratitude and simple faith that comes from it,” I would add that, in our dealings with those to whom the intellectual arguments matter, gratitude and love are the greatest "weapons." Love puts everything in perspective.

Bonnie,

Re: "perhaps he’s saying that you don’t need to have everything figured out in order to have faith in God."

I suspect you are spot on about that.

Re: "I would add that, in our dealings with those to whom the intellectual arguments matter, gratitude and love are the greatest "weapons." Love puts everything in perspective."

Amen to that, sister. :-) I think you are right again.

The thing that bugs me is the term "simple faith" that Colson uses. I wish I knew what he meant by that ... so, I took the liberty of asking him. I'll let you know what he says.

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