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February 12, 2007

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Your friend was terribly mistaken in crossing out "commitment to objective truth" on the "emergent" side of the board -- or at least, he was not working with proper definitions of terms. The Gordon Lewis article you linked from Groothuis' blog does the same thing. (Groothuis, BTW, is one of those folks who gets my blood boiling -- he just doesn't get it, and unfortunately he has a publishing platform for his narrow views and obvious mistakes).

The vast majority of emergent thinkers (serious folks like McKnight) agree that we don't construct reality. There is a reality outside of human language and culture, which we must take as given. Ultimately, that reality is God, the alpha and omega who transcends creation. Thus, in an ontological sense, there is "absolute" truth. Let me call this Truth.

Where most emergent folks differ from the Groothuis crowd is in the extent to which human beings can know the Truth and then express it in human language. Most emergent folks recognize that the human mind and human language are limited. We are not God. God alone knows everything completely. Anything a human being says is necessarily incomplete and bounded by that person's language, time, culture, and noetic capabilities. Even scripture, though completely truthful, represents an accomodation to human limitations. Scripture often uses human concepts, analogical language, stories, etc. to convey something that is really ineffable: what is God like?

Now, I think most folks who pound the drum about "absolute / objective truth" would agree with what I've said about the limitations of human knowledge and human propositional statements. Certainly anyone with a Reformed bent must recognize that human noetic capabilities are at least affected in some way by the fall. The question, then, seems to be not the fact that our epistemology must in some respects be "chastened," but the extent to which this must be so.

For many emergent folks, the adjective "absolute" or "objective" in relation to "truth" has become a power slogan to be used by folks who want to impose their view of everything on everyone else. It means not "there is a reality outside of us that everyone, everywhere must take as a given," but "what I am saying is completely right; it lacks any linguistic, cultural or other context; and you must never question it." Perhaps such folks, of which I am one, would say that there is absolute Truth, but no human person speaks Truth absolutely or absolutely objectively. This is manifestly not the same thing as crossing any commitment to Truth off of the list.

First Generation: Fire

Second Generation: Smoldering Reinterpretation or outright Rejection.

Third Generation: Fire

Repeat.

You know the pattern from the "First Great Awakening" and "Second Great Awakening." Three generations apart...hmmmm. Check that with the Reformation and Puritans or Moravians...Hmmmm...

Ooh, I would love to see the grids you all came up with, as a starting point for a project of my own.

Do you have any of the info there?

Thank you,
Anne / WF

Well said, David.

Anne,

Let me see ... we had ...

Catholic
Liberal/Mainline
Evangelical Fundamentalism/Broad Evangelicalism
Charismatic/Penecostal
Dispensational

We were contrasting these with Reformed Theology as a grid...

Anne -- interesting heuristic. So where do you see emergent folks today? In the "fire" side or the "smoldering reinterpretation or outright rejection" side?

I think most emergent folks see themselves on the "fire" side. But actually, I think they would modify your heuristic a bit. It might look more like this:

First generation: fire

Second generation: scholastic intellectualization

Third generation: reformation, renewal

Fourth generation: integration; establishment of a new paradigmatic sub-culture; partial reasimmilation into broader cultural norms

You might apply a heuristic like this to the "Jesus people" movement of the 60's. The evangelical movement of the 50's responded passionately to the move towards liberal theology in the mainline churches. The evangelical movement, however, was getting stuck in the cultural paradigms of Eisenhower's America -- including some really ugly things, like racism, and some neutral things, like worship styles. The Jesus People movement introduced a fresh emphasis on relational faith, different worship styles, and justice issues.

Evangelicalism assimilated these themes, IMHO with many positive results. The fact that I can attend a suburban evangelical church, sing my heart out in my venacular musical languge (rock and pop), raise my hands and embrace brothers and sisters of other races, is a beautiful thing.

But at the same time, evangelicalism seems to be getting tired. The sub-culture is well established and often trite. Sometimes the missional emphasis seems to get lost in a defensive posture.

I see many emergent folks, then, as either a "first" and/or "third" generation in the paradigm above. I know from speaking directly with leaders in the emerging church movement that they see themselves as renewers and reformers, certainly not as smoldering reinterpreters or rejecters. That doesn't mean they are getting everything right, of course.

Anyway, heuristics like this are always too simple. In any culture there are always multiple overlapping, colliding, conflicting, streams. In the Church in particular, there is always somewhere the refining and reforming influence of the Holy Spirit. One of the interesting things about emergent these days is a fresh emphasis on what God is doing in the Church in the global South. Some are starting to refer to themselves as post-colonial rather than post-modern. In Africa, Asia and Latin America, there are many segments of the Church that are probably in the "fire" mode. Many emergent folks these days see the global South Church as a focus of renewal that will increasingly missionaly impact us here in the North.

David,

I'll venture in where angels fear to tread ... and offer a response to your response ;-)

I share your disdain for bullies who use truth as a weapon to beat down people with ... and essentially say I am right and you are wrong and stop disagreeing with me. That is not my gig ... nor is it Ed's gig (the guy who was drawing on the white board).

I am one who is passionate about truth. My grid is reformed. As you point out, my grid is that our noetic ability was most definitely affected by the fall -- in layman's terms, noetic means our ability to know things.

So ... I agree with your point about being humble about truth, but I think it needs to be a priority to pray and rely on the Holy Spirit to gain as much truth about his word as we can. Indeed, a major part of following Christ is to gain truth from God's word and conform our lives to it.

I think the Holy Spirit enables us to grasp more and more truth. That should make us humble ... not proud ... since we can't take the credit.

I am committed to the concept that there is truth ... that the scripture is my authority and the fullest expression of truth about the things it speaks about (outside of Christ himself) ... and that everything we do and say and think ought to align with scripture. I trust the Holy Spirit to grasp truth. I recognize that my filter (i.e. my grid) is affected by sin, and therefore I need to pray and rely upon the Holy Spirit as I study the scripture and live in light of the truth therein.

That is the kind of committment to truth that I am talking about. Part of that truth, btw, is a call to walk humbly ... for God opposes the proud.

That is how I reconcile the reformed part with a passion for truth.

Make sense?

Mea culpa!

I forgot an important qualifier in my initial post.

On the right side of the white board were the words ... "committment to objective propositional truth" . I originally posted "committment to objective truth" ... my bad.

That one qualifier could change the whole discussion we are having.

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