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June 11, 2010

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Welcome back. You've been gone for quite some time.

I haven't seen the movie, but from what I know about it, its other problem is that it perpetuates the Horatio Alger myth.

I felt that this film was deeply racist because it implied that all blacks have to do to pull themselves out of poverty and oppression is to go become stock brokers. Heck, Will Smith did it, why don't ALL of you?

I have never heard the term Horatio Alger myth.

According to Wikipedia, it is ...

"By leading exemplary lives, struggling valiantly against poverty and adversity," Alger’s protagonists gain both wealth and honor, ultimately realizing the American Dream.

I explained my problem with that worldview. I would like to know why you think that worldview is a problem. Please explain.

ZZ, I personally did not detect racism in the film. It seemed to me like the story would have worked as long as the main character was poor and struggling.

It seemed to me to have two messages. One, be a good dad and here is an example of a good dad. Two, the "have nots" can become "haves" if you hold on to your dreams and work hard.

I personally missed the racism in the film.

If anything, the one wealthy white CEO (at the phone company) seemed quite color blind and happy to spend his day with Will Smith and his son at Candlestick park watching a 49ers game. The wealthy crowd (who were white) accepted Will Smith and his son as one of the guys. There was no tension there. Maybe there was something really subtle there I missed.

Not much explanation needed, really. I have a problem with that view because real life doesn't actually work that way. There are meritorious, hard-working, intelligent individuals who slog away and never manage to get by. Meanwhile, Paris Hilton is a multi-millionaire. Not only are hard work and virtue not sufficient conditions for earthly success, as the Paris Hilton example shows, they're not even necessary conditions.

There's a thought process that's pervasive in America that claims that anybody can work themselves out of poverty, if only they try hard enough (and a corollary that says that if you're poor, it's somehow your fault, or because of some personal shortcoming). Except that it's simply not true. And at the risk of getting political, whether or not that's true has real-world policy implications. We'd all like to believe that Reagan's "pull-yourself-up-by-your-boostraps" idea really works, but wanting it to be true doesn't MAKE it true.

(And don't even get me started on the Ayn Rand crowd, grumble grumble grumble.)

One, please get started on the Ayn Rand crowd. I am all ears.

Two, have you read Gladwell's book Outliers http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/index.html and do you agree with Gladwell's hypothesis?

Mr. D:

Well done on your critique of The Pursuit of Happyness. I'm currently reading through Dietrich Bonhoffer's Cost of Discipleship . He does a great job of setting out the successful life - and that with our focus on the Cross we shouldn't even be aware of our success or failure.

T:

Are there counterexamples to the Horatio Alger hero? Sure. But to dismiss hard work and self-discipline as critical factors in being able to provide for yourself and your family, because of such counterexamples, is illogical.

Mr. D:

Yes, I've read Outliers. See your thread on that.

And you don't have enough space for me to rant about the Ayn Rand crowd. Suffice it to say that most of them seem to suffer from the delusion that because they woke up to find themselves on third base, they must have personally hit a triple, combined with the delusion that selfishness is an unquestioned virtue (i.e., if I look out for nothing but my own personal interests, this will always benefit everyone and not just me).

matt:

The question isn't whether there are COUNTERexamples to the Horatio Alger hero. The more important question is whether there are any bona fide EXAMPLES. It seems that if there are, they are EXCEEDINGLY rare to the point of irrelevance, as Gladwell's book points out. Hard work and self-discipline CAN be contributing factors, but they're not strictly necessary, and they're ABSOLUTELY not sufficient.

Thanks for the Ayn Rand rant. I personally think her followers are desperately searching for justification for being self-absorbed.

Mr. D:

Re: Randites, see, even YOU and /I/ can agree wholeheartedly on SOMEthing. ;)

Life is a struggle, accept it.

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